in a way
that one poem.
is a feast of flowers.
who knows when i might eat again."
There would be a lot less sex workers if women were given equal opportunities to higher education and sustainable, well-paid employment. However, some sex workers LOVE their jobs. Some sex workers choose to do sex work OVER other opportunities. Some sex workers have expensive college degrees and still choose to do sex work. Not all sex workers would work a “normal civilian job” if given the choice. Stop attempting to speak for/over actual sex workers.
yes of course, if i had a law degree i would definitely still want to have sex with strange men for money that is the perfect career choice and we should base all our opinions on the industry based on that one imaginary woman who CHOOSES prostitution over a high paying law job okay
the very incredibly few rare people who even have a choice to enter (and leave) the sex industry are so far and in between. While the VAST majority of women (usually poor and/or women/girls of color) are forced into the industry to survive.
Don’t support an inherently violent industry that specifically targets poor and/or women/girls of color, not even because a few educated rich white women “choose” to go into it.
Catering to the few privileged women who have the choice of whether or not to work in the sex industry over the millions of women and children is racist and classist to the 38th degree.
Don’t support choosey choice feminism.
When your choice hurts other women then you’ve got a big fucking problem.
I’m getting to the point where I am starting to think misandry-mermaid is an MRA troll
how can anyone hate women this much
speaking over/for sex workers would mean implying that the few sex workers who love their work have more valid voices and experiences than the vast, VAST majority whose voices are crying out in pain and suffering, who are being beaten, raped and murdered on a daily basis
how about you stop speaking over/for THEM when you are destroying their lives with your pro-porn pro-sex work bullshit
let me spell this out to you: people who rape and murder sex workers love people like you. you actively fight for laws that enable them to thrive because you’re so busy with your saviour complex that you won’t listen to the people telling you what that means for sex workers in your life. you don’t do shit for anyone who is unhappy in the sex industry - abolitionism in practice just means that you’re forcing anyone who is in the sex industry to work in far more dangerous conditions.
this is why sex workers talk about labor rights. you’re so hung up on the theory of what you think about sex work as a concept that you don’t think about what abolitionism means for workers. no form of abolitionism, whether outright criminalisation or the Swedish model, has done shit to eliminate the sex industry, but it has gotten sex workers raped and killed with impunity.
you are actively aiding and abetting in harming the people you claim to be saving and then you pat yourself on the back for it.
for the love of god, listen to the people who are being affected by the things you advocate for. you advocate for laws that put our lives in severe danger and then you have the gall to turn around and accuse others of hating women.
where to begin.
"abolitionism in practice just means that you’re forcing anyone who is in the sex industry to work in far more dangerous conditions."
No it absolutely does not, quite ironically, it is legalizing the purchasing of prostituted women and girls that makes it far more dangerous. In countries where prostitution is legalized, the demand for sex slavery has gone up. There are increases in sex slavery and child sex slavery. And i would RELALY like to point out, the johns are what makes the situation dangerous— legal or not. It is the johns that rape, torture, and kill prostituted women and girls.
"what abolitionism means for workers. no form of abolitionism, whether outright criminalisation or the Swedish model, has done shit to eliminate the sex industry, but it has gotten sex workers raped and killed with impunity."
You’re going to need a source to back your shit up because bullshit. The Nordic model is the only effective model. (x please also note how countries with legalized prostitution are in the very high to high category on page 44 of human trafficking). And please note how this study said that street prostitution had halved in Sweden. And i think it’s even more important to note that Sweden has been called a ‘bad market' by pimps and traffickers.
And incase i didn’t make it clear that legalizing prostitution has made it unsafe, here’s another source.
"for the love of god, listen to the people who are being affected by the things you advocate for. you advocate for laws that put our lives in severe danger and then you have the gall to turn around and accuse others of hating women."
i want to make something clear: i used to be pro-prostitution (sex work as i called it back then) because i was only exposed to the VERY few and VERY privileged women who had a choice to enter the industry. They showed a life of luxury and choice, so i was convinced that there’s nothing wrong with the industry.
I was horribly wrong. I have since then met victims of prostitution who generally entered at the age of 13 (the average age of entering prostitution in America). They had been raped by thousands of men, and very unfortunately, most poor prostituted women die by the age of 34. I have met MANY prostituted women, many of them share similar horror stories that shed light on the reality of the sex industry.
So I am listening to the victims of the industry. I have heard their stories, i have read their murders, i have been told about their recorded and mass produced rapes. And this is horrendous. What’s even worse is that, because prostitution is illegal where i live, these very women who have been to hell and back have absolutely NO way to make a living besides turning back to prostitution (which is NOT their choice, and never has been). That’s one of the beautiful things about the Swedish model, it has programs to help prostituted women exit and never return to the sex industry.
I won’t say that there aren’t drawbacks to the Nordic model, but it is the most effective model we have. It has helped the most prostituted women and children, whereas legalized prostitution has absolutely failed them.
I encourage you to try listening to poor prostituted women. You may learn something.
There is absolutely no evidence of increased trafficking in countries which have stopped abusing consensual sex workers. I work in a country where sex work is only illegal in one state, and yet as far as I understand there has not been a successful prosecution for “trafficking” where workers didn’t know they were coming to do sex work in some years. The rescue industry loves come up with fictional statistics (i.e. assuming that all migrant sex workers are trafficked) because they benefit financially from it, but it doesn’t make them any less fictional, or the rescue industry’s policies any less devastating for sex work safety.
Sex workers in Sweden suffer several-fold. Their support people are often criminalised, so they have far less protection than in other countries. Their work is driven underground, so they have to focus on protecting their clients from arrest rather than their own safety. They’re incredibly stigmatised by the Swedish state - to the point where, in a rather famous case, the Swedish state took the kids of an anti-Swedish model activist and gave them to her violent partner, and denied her protection - he then killed her). Workers in the most visible parts of the industry (i.e. street workers) have to screen clients far less than before because clients have shifted to other areas of the industry to escape arrest. The Swedish model terrifies the fuck out of sex workers because it makes our work seriously bloody dangerous.
We know that decriminalising sex work doesn’t make it unsafe because we work in decriminalised countries and the comparison with the conditions of workers in criminalised or Swedish model countries is enough to terrify any worker. Here, my primary focus when choosing how I work is what is safest for me. I could not do that in either the US or Sweden.
I chose sex work because I had very few other good options, and I was sick of not having enough money to eat. There is no aspect of “luxury and choice” about that, apart from the irony of you sitting back in far more privileged conditions campaigning to make my work more dangerous.
The reason you’re meeting people who’ve had horrific experiences in sex work is because you live in a state where it’s illegal. The incredible contrast between the experiences of actual workers in US/Sweden versus decriminalised countries would teach you a thing or two if you’d listen to us. There are far less workers being murdered here, and no “recorded and mass produced rapes”, but it apparently doesn’t stop you from advocating to ditch those laws and institute laws where those who would harm us can thrive.
The Nordic model has done absolutely nothing for “prostituted women and children” in children. It has drastically harmed the safety of Swedish sex workers and made trafficking harder to detect.
I encourage you to listen to “poor prostituted women”, like, y’know, me.
you once again have no sources and are telling me to trust you over the dozens of exited women i know (who all support the Swedish model and some that live in Australia).
I wasted my time providing all those sources (I could provide many more), seeing as how you continue to go on without giving me anything.
I’m going to continue to listen to the shared experiences my friends have. Coming from countries where it’s illegal and countries where it isn’t. They were all mass raped and no one is going to ever seek justice for them.
And again, i’m not making your work dangerous, johns are. Once again, they are the ones raping, torturing, and killing prostituted women and children. That pig farm would have done prostituted women in Canada no harm unless someone like Robert Pickton was there.
You all need to stop conflating sex work with sex trafficking.
Sex work is consensually chosen (even if that means because of no other economic opportunities, which is a problem). Sex trafficking is essentially sexual slavery. They are not the same thing, and it’s harmful to conflate them. It’s like implying that being a farmer is the same as being an agricultural slave.
And I wasn’t the one who brought sex trafficking up in this discussion. Anon used the word “sex worker”, so I responded appropriately, since that term doesn’t refer to sexual slavery outside of ignorance-based discussions. I don’t see how you anti-sex worker people can act like since sex trafficking exists, we must erase the voices of sex workers who weren’t sex trafficked, who enjoy their jobs, who are in the industry and actively working to improve it from the inside-out. Your voices are only ERASING theirs, and to justifying your position by claiming that sex workers who do their job consensually must be middle class and white is also disgusting erasure. I am friends with many sex workers. Of all races. They weren’t trafficked. They aren’t all rich white ladies. They don’t all do full-service SW (in fact, most don’t). Sex work is not sex trafficking. Stop fucking confusing the two and making it worse for everyone.